How Much Longer...??
 

How much longer till the bottom falls out on those Price Gouging, Fear Mongering A-Hole gunshow/gunshop sellers. I sure hope It's soon. $900 WASR's - $1500 Bushys - $8 boxes of crap 7.62x39....Give me a Break...!!!:36_1_30:

Re: How Much Longer...??
 

I bet during summer 09 you will see a lot of shit fly right back to the pawn shops and stock fill up at the local gun stores - not sure about ammo.

Re: How Much Longer...??
 

Ammo is scarce...Buy whaever you can afford and even what you can't afford, NOW...!!!
:emotions16:

Re: How Much Longer...??
 

Every gun I have bought since the "scare" has been basicly unaffected, price wise, by it. You just need to know how to shop smart.

Ammo? Yeah, I have overpaid but I'm not complaning since I think it's well worth it.

Re: How Much Longer...??
 

I think if we can go the first year of Obama's tenure without him actually taking any action against gun rights the prices should fall rapidly.


Or if gun/ammo makers start seriously ramping up production that should help alot as well.

Re: How Much Longer...??
 

My sig says it all...

Re: How Much Longer...??
 

A wise man told me all you need is one round. I'm not sure i'm buying it but unless you're buying ammo to make a profit then buy what you'll need to protect your family and give everyone pleanty ammo to be comfortable learning the weapon of choice.

Re: How Much Longer...??
 

Re: How Much Longer...??
 

I'm buying ammo like there's no tomorrow. Not because of Obama but because there might be no tomorrow.

Re: How Much Longer...??
 

Agree 100%. Spot on.

I buy where ever I can get it. A few boxes here and there. If I can't find ammo for one gun at wally-world, I just buy ammo for another gun. The prices are a bit higher than in the past but this is one of those things that I don't want to NOT buy just because I have to spend a few bucks more.

If food suddenly shot up 50 percent I would still have to buy it because I need it. Same with ammo.

Re: How Much Longer...??
 

:biggrin:Just a little food for thought...Buy it NOW!!!!!:biggrin:

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m...51/ammo003.jpg

Re: How Much Longer...??
 

Re: How Much Longer...??
 

BUY IT NOW. Later this evening when I get home, I'll post a photo of the price going up. I have been buying boxes of ammo from a shop in town, and each time I go in, they are about 15-30 cents higher per box.

If you want it. You had better get it now. ESPECIALLY with the masses of people that are "new" coming into this.

The media is leaking lil bits here and there, and people are waking up.

Several buddies of mine got in the prep game a lil late, but do what you can do. I say...buy reloading supplies.

Re: How Much Longer...??
 

Just started a thread on this..............







How Many Magazines is Enough?, by Cowboy

It's nice to know how many guns you have to share amongst those mags, or better yet how many magazines do you have to share amongst multiple like model rifles or pistols for that matter. That's how I count them to see if I feel like I have enough or not. Plus, I like to count in the possibility of adding another gun or two into that particular category at a later date since buying extra mags is always cheaper than adding a new gun. If nothing else, extra mags are a great investment for later sale or barter especially if the current snake oil salesman in charge signs a new assault weapons ban into law.

As an example, I got caught with just a couple of AK and AR mags when the Assault weapons Ban (AWB) took effect in 1994. This was before the "preparedness mindset" for me which came later in 1996 when I found JWR's novel draft "The Gray Nineties" [--an early draft edition of "Patriots" ]. I was not nearly so gun market savvy as I am today. I was the typical gun owner/collector with one each of several guns without any thought to caliber consolidation or commonality of magazines for logistics purposes. In the same vein I may have had a couple 20 round boxes of 223 or 762x39 ammo laying around with really no thought of having anymore than what I needed to go to the range one time for about an hour's worth of shooting. In hindsight it was absolutely shameful--like 99% of the sleeping gun owning public.

Then the Assault Weapons Ban of 1994 was signed into law and there was a run on certain guns, ammunition, and magazines--much like we are seeing now--that swept the country overnight. Back then, I was way behind the curve on that and I got caught off guard. At the time $6 for a nice but used USGI M16 magazine was common and a new mag might set you back $10. Overnight if you could even find some for sale you had to pay double or triple that. Same with Glock magazines as another example. They went from +/- $15 for a new one to $40-$45. [JWR Adds: In 1999, I saw gun show dealers asking and getting $75 each for 13 round Glock 21 magazines, and $150 each for 33 round Glock 17/18/19 magazines!] This market environment went on for the 10 year life span of the AWB until it "sunsetted" in 2004. Prices went down and availability went back to normal until just before the 2008 election. Since 2004 I have been eagerly buying all the magazines I needed, or thought I might ever need in a lifetime. I learned my lesson. In anticipation of the election I was counting on the ignorance and gullibility of the general populace so I made a last bulk purchase of magazines. Good thing too! Just this past summer (2008), I bought a little over $1,000 worth of various magazines, and in particular Glock 17 magazines from my favorite place. At that time they were $16.99 all day long. The election came and now they are $24.99 from the same place, and even so they are still the cheapest I can find among my many regular sources. More recently, SIG magazines for have gone up at most places for instance. Pre-election they usually went for right at $30. One of my regular places has gone up a little bit to $33, but I've seen that most other places have jacked them up to $40. It was and is the old "short supply and high demand" syndrome, due in part to all the panic buying that could have been avoided if done a little bit at a time like I've done over the past five years.

As bad as the prices got then, what's going on now is far worse in terms of availability. Having lived and financially suffered through the '94 AWB, I still can say I've never seen anything like this before. This is easily twice as bad as the '94 AWB, and no legislation is even close to being signed into law yet. I lived and paid dearly through the '94 AWB and I feel like I can speak on the topic of what's happening in the gun market right now with some authority. In other words if you find a deal where they haven't gouged the prices, then I recommend buying extra beyond your immediate needs. Knowing what you know about your arsenal of freedom, I'd say stop buying guns and concentrate on ammunition and a few more magazines as a priority. You can't drive a Corvette if you can't afford the gas, so to speak. The mistake they made in 1994 was not going after the ammunition and they realize that now. If the majority of gun owning America is still anything like I was back in 1994, any possible self defense in a civil unrest situation would be short lived without adequate ammunition supplies already in place. And who's got time to reload the one or two magazines they got with the rifle in the middle of a fire fight? When it comes to magazines, more is better. I suspect this mood has improved among gun owners in general and that the lesson of the '94 AWB still smells fresh to some. As evidenced by my coworkers who come to me for 'gun advise", I still believe the majority are gun rich, but magazine and ammunition poor so to speak.

Now that I've gone on entirely too long you should have noticed the theme: Buy more magazines where you need them and even if you don't as long as the prices aren't gouge level. Buy more ammunition for your major battle rifle caliber at every opportunity because it certainly isn't getting any cheaper and availability is scarce. Look at Ammoman.com and AIMSurplus.com. They are just plain out of all the common caliber ammunition. That is very telling, but it also concerns me the most. In case you feel overwhelmed at the very expense of it all, I give the example of a co-worker who recently got on the same page via my Christmas gift of JWR's novel "Patriots" .. On pay day this coworker without fail goes to the local Horse Tack & Gun Shop and buys two or three twenty round boxes of commercial .223. Whatever he can afford that pay day. Although he was quite behind the 8 Ball in the beginning, he has over 500 rounds now and he just picked up three extra M16 magazines. His little bit at a time strategy is working nicely, and I have seen his overall mood improve as his supply grows along with his confidence. He has also has been using the "copy can" method at the grocery store and his progression in that department has really improved his state as well.

As a general recommendation I advise the following with the caveat that you add the same minimum amount of used generic (cheaper) magazines for range use. I know it's extra money but you can't go wrong by then adding a second batch of new factory magazines as you can locate and afford them until you've doubled that original minimum. I can assure you they will make a nice investment later down the road. Keep those brand new magazines back in the "break glass in case of emergency" box. That will be your long term storage box that you don't touch until TSHTF. Buy .50 caliber ammo cans for a safe place to store magazines, with a bag of desiccant thrown in for good measure. I've actually vacuum packed mine for long term rust free storage. Keep the used but reliable generic mags about for immediate availability and for range use. [Some snipped, for brevity.]

As a absolute minimum I recommend the following. Hopefully you are in or can get into a position to consolidate caliber and like model firearms if for nothing other than a logistics standpoint. Having to find, purchase, and store several different calibers, and multiple types of magazines can make an already expensive proposition downright discouraging.

(10) Ten brand new magazines per main battle rifle (This under most circumstances should equate to basic load + spares)
(7) Seven brand new magazines per pistol (This also under most circumstances should equate to basic load + spares)
and,

(1) Main Battle Rifle per adult or responsible teenager
(1) Main Sidearm per adult or responsible teenager

And of course, in my opinion one of the most often neglected items: professional training, and appropriate web gear to carry those magazines and your sidearm.

http://www.survivalblog.com/

http://goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=358006

Re: How Much Longer...??
 

You don't like the price so now it is "price gouging"? :confused_ma:

Re: How Much Longer...??
 

Re: How Much Longer...??
 

I have a hard time ever disagreeing with you bud! A+

I bet my local gun shop is doing real well! I spent another 200+ last night on 308 bandoleers, 2 boxes of Golden Tigers, 1 box of 40cal defense ammo, 40cal and 38spl dies.

In the mail I should have my 870 18" barrel and choat mag extension ;)

YOWZAAAAAAAAAAAAAA :RockOn:

Re: How Much Longer...??
 

Re: How Much Longer...??
 

There is a very simple solution to this: Vote with your FRNs. Don't buy anything.

Re: How Much Longer...??
 

Demand is soooo HIGH that even Wild Animals are stocking up !

http://photos4.meetupstatic.com/phot...s_6243150.jpeg

Re: How Much Longer...??
 

You know it's getting bad "out there" when even panda bears have GE miniguns!

Re: How Much Longer...??
 

My thoughts exactly, some peoples lack of economics knowledge is astounding.

Re: How Much Longer...??
 

http://www.survivalblog.com/2009/03/...shortages.html

Letter Re: Ammunition Shortages in U.S. Might Become Chronic

Hi Jim,
A man with the Customer Service department at Midway explained that backorders are expected to continue and there appears to be no reduction in demand. Browsing their web site, I see 'expected' delivery dates pushing further into the future, and up to six weeks delay for the less expensive and common caliber hunting bullet, mostly .30 caliber bullets. Many premium bullets are also on 'back order' since my last visit. And now, even less common caliber bullets are backordered as well as other reloading components and reloading tools. The shortage at Cabela's also continues. The Civilian Marksman Program (CMP), advises that delivery could take 100 days for their still inexpensive M2 ball (.30-06) for the M1 Garand [and many other] rifles.

I believe that you've mentioned the possibility that "Ballistic Wampum" could be more useful than silver for the purposes of barter. The ammunition and component shortage is making a me believer. If events unfold as they might, the shortage could become increasingly severe and chronic. It may actually now be easier to obtain silver than bullets or certain and popular loaded ammunition. Over the last two years, I've done better with ammunition than silver, and have decided to trade in silver if necessary, for bullets. In memory of the Lone Ranger, silver would be a poor substitute for lead as the sectional density of a sliver bullet would be significantly less and therefore less effective. As I am no Lone Ranger, I would need all the advantages possible, and rather have the good stuff.

More folks are waking up everyday, and I suspect most of them will feel the need to protect and feed themselves. Many of those folks will be without the means to do as they discover that they cannot afford buy a good supply or any supply, and if able, may find that shipment could be months into the future. The Fed's recent action makes continued and escalating hyper inflation a given. If delivery in months away, prices might change, or delivery might become impossible at some point. I'd error on the side of caution. - E.L.

Re: How Much Longer...??
 

100 Days!! And I thought it was bad to wait 1-2 months for my last .30-06 order from the CMP....

What seems a bit odd to me is that CMP prices for .30-06 (Greek Pyrkal mfg) is ~0.28/round, while the dinky-arsed .223 round costs $0.70-$0.80 a round. .30 Carbine ammo (Aguila) runs $0.31/round, which is still HALF the price of .223 ammo.

Hmmmmm...might be time to order some more .30-06 and/or .30 Carbine ammo. For the children.

EDIT: There's a 5 Freakin' Month delay on shipping .30 Carbine ammo. OUCH.

Re: How Much Longer...??
 

There's no better time than three months ago.

But NOW is better than nothing--and nothing is what you'll end up with if you don't do it NOW.

Re: How Much Longer...??
 

Agreed! I did a CMP order months ago, and it arrived in December/January. I placed another order right after doing my last post (~3 days ago). Good thing, too. A day or two later, they raised prices on the .30-06 ammo. It's still a good deal on .30-06, even with the higher prices.

I also ordered some more carbine ammo, and hope to get it ~Aug-Sept. Love that short leadtime!

Re: How Much Longer...??
 

I'm conflicted these days because on the one hand, I've got more ammo than a lot of gun stores and I could probably be done stacking. On the other hand, if this is my last shot at getting ammo for the rest of my days or my kid's days, I need to increase the size of my stack by a factor of 10.

Re: How Much Longer...??
 

Momopanda, is that you?

Re: How Much Longer...??
 

Where, in the hell, can you find any 380acp?
I've got plenty but I just picked up 2 more 380 pistols and feel like buying about 1K more rounds. Been searching for about 2 weeks. None any freaking where. I blame it on the popularity of the LCP.

Re: How Much Longer...??
 

GET WHAT U CAN........WHERE U CAN ........AT WHATEVER PRICE U CAN

IT WILL BE PRIZED MORE THAN GOLD IN SHORT ORDER.

Re: How Much Longer...??
 

It's crazy to see how tight the ammo supply is on this caliber (or for many calibers, for that matter). MidwayUSA lists 44 different flavors of .380ACP. they're out of stock on ALL OF THEM (even the scarily high priced Glaser stuff). Same with Ammoman.

The closest thing I could find to real ammo was "coming soon" claims by Midway on a few varieties of .380ACP.

I truly doubt that the .380 shortage is due to the release of the LCP. Is the .22LR or 9x19 or .223 shortages due to the release of a new, super-popular weapon in those calibers? NOPE!

It's just a sign of the times.

If all else fails, you might consider loading up a bunch of .380 from components. Midway seems to be out of the brass, but they are taking backorders & seem to be expecting deliveries in the next few weeks (for what it's worth).

Re: How Much Longer...??
 

The only place stuff can be bought now is Local..........anyplace on the net is dam near bone dry.

Just be prepared to pay the price.

Hold the Line.......


T

Re: How Much Longer...??
 

Because mexico is on the verge of a Major revolution, maybe very soon, and they are very determined to win this time around. They might be/are buying as much ammunition from the USA as they can and bring it into mexico. This can also be the reason for such massive shortages of ammunition as the US government is watching sales in large quantities, plus they are probably telling the ammo co. to not produce a substantial increase in the amount they normally do. The US government has got alot to worry about south of the border now, and many mexican Americans here I believe would/do support the revolution completely.

Re: How Much Longer...??
 

It looks like there IS ammo available on GunBroker. For a price, that is.

Seems that the "going rate" for regular FMJ ammo is about $0.50 per round. OUCH!

Re: How Much Longer...??
 

Same with primers ....alll you want. :banghead:

Re: How Much Longer...??
 

I guess it makes sense - everything's available. For a price.

In some quick & dirty searching (Midway USA), I couldn't find any .380 brass for sale. Bullets are available from Scharch ( http://www.scharch.com ).

Re: How Much Longer...??
 

I think the shortage of .380 is mainly due to the fact that it's not as common a caliber as say 9mm, or .45, .38. Same with 16 gauge shotshells versus 12 gauge. I don't think there are as many rounds produced as compared to the more common calibers. JMHO.

Re: How Much Longer...??
 

I was looking over gunbroker for critical defense 380 the other day and realized I could sell what I have onhand for twice what I paid for it. The crazy part? There's no way I'd let it go for that little!
I've got Midway reminders set but I have a feeling I'll be in a race against many when the emails arrive.
I have no equipment or knowledge of reloading although I probably have 500rds of 380 spent brass.
Edit: Shame I gave away about 1500rds of the same brass just a year ago. I could probably trade it for loaded stuff right now.

Re: How Much Longer...??
 

I agree completely. The question is who will win, the Mexican government or the trafficantes. Then the next question is will the revolution spill over into the US or not? I suspect that it probably will and the US military will then be needed on the southern border between the USA and Mexico. This may also kill the NAU. LITERALLY. About the only thing that could stop this war would be the USA making drugs LEGAL. That would then stop the need for the Mexican government to constantly be at war. It would also do the same thing here in the USA, stopping the war on drugs. This would make it possible for the NAU to become a reality. So, which would YOU rather see. The NAU or a Mexico ruled by drug lords? Tough choice.

Sky, you gave yourself some wiggle room with the 'might be' portion of this statement. But I'm confident that the Mexican drug cartels buy ammo by the container load from large arms suppliers all over the world. Or perhaps several container loads at a time. MONEY is not an issue. Nor is importation, because again, MONEY is not an issue and bribery is a way of life in the southern most portion of Norte America. I'm also confident that very little ammo that starts out in the USA ends up in Mexico. The USA is a much larger market than even the 'trafficantes' in Mexico. We've got over 80 MILLION gun owners (probably closer to 100 million gun owners by now) purchasing everything not nailed down. Paying prices that most of us shudder at. But MOST of us have seen this coming for quite some time and stocked up a LONG time ago. Some of us have been stocked up forever. At least that's what I've been told.

I would again concur. Having an unstable regime in charge of Mexico will cause all sorts of problems for any USA government. It would also cause the US military to be called up (at least the NG) to protect our southern border.

Either way, it's gonna be ugly. Proably NLT this summer.

Re: How Much Longer...??
 

I purchased another case of 7.62x39 locally today. I'd rather have enough and not need it, than not enough and need it.

Re: How Much Longer...??
 

Way covered on this... Several friends of mine and a few relatives are all in pretty much the same boat on this....

Also what about spare firing pins, trigger groups, bolts, etc.. etc...

Re: How Much Longer...??
 

That wise man should have added, "...if you have a good aim and only one enemy."